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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:06 am

let's hope america do not turn in a new china Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:14 am

lol ... I doubt it; communism is to feared, haven't you heard?!
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:19 am

they will find a new name for it, like centralised captailism, american won't even notice it is communism Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:20 am

they blame communism for being inhuman or 'international' or too ratioanl, capitalism is even more inhuman atheistic and rational, and the monopolistic capitalism is just exactly the same than leninism :p
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:21 am

most ppl don't even know what is communsim =)
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:54 am

Sparky23 wrote:
they will find a new name for it, like centralised captailism, american won't even notice it is communism Smile

lol ... I can see that being true Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:18 pm

yes it is, it has been planned like this since the beginning anyway Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:22 pm

on the left nasa usa space program, on the right russian space program :



can you notice a difference ?

it is the same difference between leninst/stalinist russian and american economical model :p


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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:25 pm

remember the real communist never got to the power anyway Very Happy and their rocket wouldn't have looked anything like this, they are both german rocket sponsorised by german designed society Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:56 pm

German rock; it is what it is Razz.

I see a pretty big difference between Lenin's approach to communism and Stalin's execution thereof. Lenin tried to follow the social inclination that Marx used as a basis for the concept; Stalin turned it into a power play to satisfy his own greed.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:01 pm

marx 'real objective' was far from lenin, lenin was not even marxist, and the thing he changed from marx, aka installing a temporary governement, is what ppl retain of communism idea, it is why ppl don't get what communism is about, and that the cold war was a big joke to scare ppl off, and killing communist in the meanwhile :p
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:02 pm

but i finally understood why american can't understand what is real communism and why they can't understand that they are using the exact same system that they pretend to oppose through what has been nominated as communism during the cold war etc :p
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:33 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudo-Marxism
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:37 pm

Lenin was far closer to Marxism than Stalin though.

Not sure I would say the U.S. utilizes the same system; there are major differences. Sure, there are commonalities in all systems, but that doesn't make them the same.

Nevertheless, the Cold War and everything attributed to it was/is a big propaganda scheme.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:45 pm

both stallnism and american capitalist pre war and post war, were made by the same brain, and already marxism is not the essence of communism, just anti capitalist rethoric, but marx brain was probably seing further than the theory he is known for
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:49 pm

Marcuse and capitalism

Marcuse’s analysis of capitalism derives partially from one of Karl Marx’s main concepts: Objectification.,[4] which under capitalism becomes Alienation. Marx believed that capitalism was exploiting humans; that the objects produced by laborers became alienated and thus ultimately dehumanized them to functional objects. Marcuse took this belief and expanded it. He argued that capitalism and industrialization pushed laborers so hard that they began to see themselves as extensions of the objects they were producing. At the beginning of One-Dimensional Man Marcuse writes, “The people recognize themselves in their commodities; they find their soul in their automobile, hi-fi set, split-level home, kitchen equipment,”[5] meaning that under capitalism (in consumer society) humans become extensions of the commodities that they create, thus making commodities extensions of people's minds and bodies and calling into question the notion of alienation.



it is jusst what capitalism will repproch to sovietic and what sovietic repproch to capitalist, both are the same shematic of propaganda machine and industrial exploitation, there were not 40 000 groups able to launch large scale industrial project and their market during that time Smile they all used same tricks, same method, with the same result Smile they are really closer than the opposite they are made to be for mediatic purpose of supporting national superiority
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:53 pm

Marx wrote the communist manifesto and coined the term communism, so Marxism is in part the essence of communism; People hijacked the term for their own purposes ... ugh, people! lol

The capitalistic system is not all that flawed imo; the lacking integrity of the people, however, can turn anything to shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:56 pm

being social theories and marxism, ppl always miss the more important that his communoties lol
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PostSubject: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:56 pm

marx did not invent communoties did he ? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:01 pm

lol ... no he did not invent communities, he coined communism as an ideology of greater scale than known before.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:12 pm

oops i saw you moved the post, there is still one in the other thread Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:23 pm

Shoot, for some reason I can't figure out how to move a single post over here lol ... can you repost it here?
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:33 pm

Okay
So a group of people decide to pool their resources to create things which benefit them all: schools, roads, infrastructure; and, this group appoints a governing body to carry out these orders, the politicians;

Prez says he needs the money to create jobs

How exactly does one create a job?

Plant a crop? Farm it?

Create artificial demand out of nowhere?

Create a new service, then make people think they need this new service?

The last option seems best and most likely, since we're a service based economy.

In light of this, I believe our current recession can be psychologically solved; there is no true "depression" except the one that exists inside our heads; debt is no more real than your imagination-- an invented concept to control you.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:35 pm

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In light of this, I believe our current recession can be psychologically solved; there is no true "depression" except the one that exists inside our heads; debt is no more real than your imagination-- an invented concept to control you.

Yeah, I guess that's true ... to a degree anyways. The Chinese money lenders might disagree though lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism - Coneptions/Misconceptions   Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:42 pm

FleurDeLis wrote:
GenericTylerDurden wrote:


In light of this, I believe our current recession can be psychologically solved; there is no true "depression" except the one that exists inside our heads; debt is no more real than your imagination-- an invented concept to control you.

Yeah, I guess that's true ... to a degree anyways. The Chinese money lenders might disagree though lol.

I just can't believe it's 2011
Double cheeseburgers cost $1
zappos.com offers free shipping both ways
And we still have homeless people

We spend billions of dollars launching hunks of metal into space
And still, some people are starving

Exactly how technologically advanced is a society that can't feed and house all its people?

I really don't try to understand it all anymore
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