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Oliver



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PostSubject: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:43 am

Now it's just me here at Clockwork. All of the NSA surveillance people left...bummer.

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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:30 am

LOL....I understand where the GOP is coming from.

How many times are we gonna raise the debt ceiling? Until we go bankrupt as a country and go the way of Greece?

When does it end? It's only a matter of time before China stops buying our bonds, and we start defaulting on all the loans we've taken out.

I see it as a feel the pain now, or feel it later, we're gonna feel it none-the-less.
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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:20 pm

Shining wrote:
LOL....I understand where the GOP is coming from.

How many times are we gonna raise the debt ceiling?  Until we go bankrupt as a country and go the way of Greece?

When does it end?  It's only a matter of time before China stops buying our bonds, and we start defaulting on all the loans we've taken out.

I see it as a feel the pain now, or feel it later, we're gonna feel it none-the-less.
I don't see it that way

I see it as the GOP as pouting sore losers.

they make it seem like the ONLY place to get money is from that which is pledged to Obamacare, or to take more loans. How bout cut the defense spending?

Do we need more missiles or more healthcare for poor people? I think that question lies at the crux of this mess.
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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:55 am

Shining wrote:
LOL....I understand where the GOP is coming from.

How many times are we gonna raise the debt ceiling?  Until we go bankrupt as a country and go the way of Greece?

When does it end?  It's only a matter of time before China stops buying our bonds, and we start defaulting on all the loans we've taken out.

I see it as a feel the pain now, or feel it later, we're gonna feel it none-the-less.
I also understand where the GOP is coming from....and I think that a Chimp has more common sense than they do.

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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:00 am

GenericTylerDurden wrote:
Shining wrote:
LOL....I understand where the GOP is coming from.

How many times are we gonna raise the debt ceiling?  Until we go bankrupt as a country and go the way of Greece?

When does it end?  It's only a matter of time before China stops buying our bonds, and we start defaulting on all the loans we've taken out.

I see it as a feel the pain now, or feel it later, we're gonna feel it none-the-less.
I don't see it that way

I see it as the GOP as pouting sore losers.

they make it seem like the ONLY place to get money is from that which is pledged to Obamacare, or to take more loans. How bout cut the defense spending?

Do we need more missiles or more healthcare for poor people? I think that question lies at the crux of this mess.
healthcare or the lack of it, is one of the things that is bankrupting this country.

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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:09 am

(by Bernie Sanders)

"I start my approach to health care from two very basic premises. First, health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege. Every man, woman and child in our country should be able to access the health care they need regardless of their income. Second, we must create a national health care system that provides quality health care for all in the most cost-effective way possible. Tragically, the United States is failing in both areas.

It is unconscionable that in one of the most advanced nations in the world, there are nearly 50 million people who lack health insurance and millions more who have burdensome copayments and deductibles. In fact, some 45,000 Americans die each year because they do not get to a doctor when they should. In terms of life expectancy, infant mortality and other health outcomes, the United States lags behind almost every other advanced country.

Despite this unimpressive record, the U.S. spends almost twice as much per person on health care as any other nation. As a result of an incredibly wasteful, bureaucratic, profit-making and complicated system, the U.S. spends 17 percent of its gross domestic product --approximately $2.7 trillion annually -- on health care. While insurance companies, drug companies, private hospitals and medical equipment suppliers make huge profits, Americans spend more and get less for their health care dollars than people from any other nation.

What should the United States be doing to improve this abysmal situation? President Obama's Affordable Care Act is a start. It prevents insurance companies from denying patients coverage for pre-existing conditions, allows people up to age 26 to stay on their parents' insurance, sets minimum standards for what insurance must cover and helps lower-income Americans afford health insurance. When the marketplace exchanges open for enrollment on Tuesday, many Americans will find the premiums will be lower than the ones they're paying now. Others will find the coverage is much more comprehensive than their current plans. Most importantly, another 20 million Americans will receive health insurance. This is a modest step forward. But, if we are serious about providing quality care for all, much more needs to be done.

The only long-term solution to America's health care crisis is a single-payer national health care program. The good news is that, in fact, a large scale single-payer system already exists in the United States and its enrollees love it. It is called Medicare. Open to all Americans over 65 years of age, the program has been a resounding success since its introduction 48 years ago. Medicare should be expanded to cover all Americans.

Such a single-payer system would address one of the major deficiencies in the current system: the huge amount of money wasted on billing and administration. Hospitals and independent medical practices routinely employ more billing specialists than doctors, and that's not the end of it. Patients and their families spend an enormous amount of time and effort arguing with insurance companies and bill collectors over what is covered and what they owe. Drug companies and hospitals spend billions advertising their products and services. Creating a simple system with one payer covering all Americans would result in an enormous reduction in administrative expenses. We will be spending our money on health care and disease prevention, not on paper pushing and debt collection.

Further, a single-payer system will expand employment opportunities and lift a financial weight off of businesses encumbered by employee health expenses. Many Americans remain at their current jobs because of the decent health insurance provided by their employer. Without the worry of losing benefits, those Americans will be free to explore other opportunities as they desire. For business owners, lifting the burden of employee health care expenditures will free them to invest in growing their businesses.

Congressman Jim McDermott and I have introduced the American Health Security Act. Our bill will provide every American with health care coverage and services through a state-administered, single-payer program, including dental and mental health coverage and low-cost prescription drugs. It would require the government to develop national policies and guidelines, as well as minimum national criteria, while giving each state the flexibility to adapt the program as needed. It would also completely overhaul the health coverage system, creating a single federal payer of state-administered health plans.

The time is long overdue for the American people to understand that our current health care system is not working and that there is something fundamentally wrong when the United States remains the only country in the industrialized world that does not guarantee health care to all people. A single-payer system will be good for the average American, good for businesses, good for workers and good for our overall economy. Health care is a right and we must establish that right in America."



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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:09 pm

Interesting....I received an email today from Jane Goodall saying that my comparison of Chimps with Republicans was offensive to the Chimps.
I'm really sorry if I offended any Chimp.
My apologies.

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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:50 am

I am secretly hoping for a catastrophe, like in that one movie, what was that called? oh yea, Fight Club, where all the financial institutions get blown to shreds... heh. You know, since the creation of "money," this event was inevitable. Financial meltdown. Economic meltdown. It's all inevitable. The sooner the better. Front row seats, gentlemen. Be fortunate to be witnessing history.
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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:25 am

There is not sitting and watching, we are here and we are part of it.
George had a brilliant mind, but I think that I can go one step further and that's the idea behind the whole existence....carrying the evolutionary batton a little further, not matter how fucked up things are and how insignificant we may be in the whole context. I'm happy to know that even if Earth turns into dust tomorrow, a record of a species of monkeys that learned how to built spacecrafts is out there for the whole universe to see. Even better, we already have the capability of sending some genetic material into space just in case shit happens around here....scary, but possible. Perhaps we should just hide the fact that those rockets used to send things into space were originaly design to blow ourselves into pieces.

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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:13 pm

thx for posting. Love that guy. "I gave up on my species." lol very lol
I find myself agreeing with everything he says;
weird, this piece starts out with one of the most memorable things he's said (for me), that "I'm a WRITER who PERFORMS his own material" -- I think I saw him mention that same line in a difference piece
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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:40 pm

GenericTylerDurden wrote:
thx for posting. Love that guy. "I gave up on my species." lol very lol
I find myself agreeing with everything he says;
weird, this piece starts out with one of the most memorable things he's said (for me), that "I'm a WRITER who PERFORMS his own material" -- I think I saw him mention that same line in a difference piece
Thanks, but I don't deserve any thx. I posted that knowing very well how your mind works and I hope you don't see that as me baiting you towards a response....well, maybe just a little. I'm actually complimenting you. I also loved that old fucker.

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PostSubject: Re: How is the governament shutdown affecting you?   Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:41 am

Shining wrote:
LOL....I understand where the GOP is coming from.

How many times are we gonna raise the debt ceiling?  Until we go bankrupt as a country and go the way of Greece?

When does it end?  It's only a matter of time before China stops buying our bonds, and we start defaulting on all the loans we've taken out.

I see it as a feel the pain now, or feel it later, we're gonna feel it none-the-less.
If this country has any hopes of getting out of this shit, it will be by improving the economy, not destroying it. Yes, we have to reduce spending and that has to be done by stopping the waste of money, not by cutting important benefits. Even more important than that is to improve the economy. (What happened to jobs, jobs, jobs???? So far we only got anti-abortion laws and voters supression laws from the GOP). When we have a good economy and less social inequalities, revenue increases and less people are dependending of our safety nets. Add to that investiments in education, green technology, etc and we be fine for many more years.
Our health care is a fucking disaster and a major drain in our economy. It was by far my biggest expense (for a very ineficcient service), until I reduced my benefits in order to afford it.....and we have these fucking idiots around saying that they are healthy and don't need the governament to force them to have health care. Who is going to pay for their huge medical bills if they get sick or hurt in a accident? Bankrupcy doesn't pay bills. What happened to the GOP personal responsabilities?
It's a shame because this could be a really great country/world but we are managing to fucked it up....stupid evolution....hitting our heads in the wall a billion times before someone figures out....Hey, this hurts.

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