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PostSubject: Circumstition   Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:11 pm

It is hard to believe that after millions of years evolving some people/most Americans (including some "brilliant" doctors) still believe in this primitive superstition and continue to mutilate the young males, like foreskin was some kind of birth defect that had to be removed.
I personally believe that the psychological consequences of the trauma are deep and not fully understood, mainly responsible for male insecurities.
These are some interesting articles about the issue:
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Psychological impacts of male circumcision

This menu page indexes and links articles relevant to an understanding of the psychological, neurological, and sociological sequelae and effects of male circumcision. The material within each category is arranged in order of publication.

Introduction

In medical circles, neonatal male circumcision was long assumed to be psychologically and emotionally benign. It was believed that newborn infants had "poorly developed" neurologic systems; that newborns could not feel pain; or, if they did feel the pain, they would not remember it. According to that orthodoxy, the experience of neonatal circumcision could never have any lasting effect on a child and could not traumatize a child.

The belief that infants cannot feel pain is now outmoded and discredited.
Pain of circumcision and pain control
It was also a common belief that the foreskin had no particular structure and no useful function; and that the patient would never later regret its loss.

The idea that the foreskin is a "useless flap of skin" is contradicted by a modern understanding of anatomy.
The penis and foreskin: Penile anatomy and sexual function
The assumption that no patient would ever regret being circumcised was not justified.
Awakenings (link to NOHARMM website)
Enough evidence now exists to say with confidence that male circumcision causes psychological changes. The trauma of the experience is injurious.24,47,47 It can have long-term deleterious effects later in life.24,47,48,51,56,57 However, the specific neurological, psychological, and behavioural changes resulting from early genital trauma have never been carefully investigated. Much more study is needed to further elaborate these changes.

The study of the psychology of circumcision can be divided into several interrelated areas:

The effects of pain and perinatal trauma on the child;
Grieving the loss of a body part;
Effects of early trauma and loss in the adult;
The effects on the parent (parental-infant bonding);
The effects on society;
Factors influencing parents and doctors to request or perform circumcisions.
Although the literature on the psychological impacts of circumcision is far from complete, some information is available. New material is gradually appearing and will be added to these pages as it becomes available.

Perinatal trauma. Circumcision is a form of perinatal (birth) trauma.35 Cansever tested boys before and after circumcision and found that the trauma causes severe disturbance of normal function.6 Taddio and others have documented behavioral changes at six months of age, suggestive of PTSD in circumcised boys.37 Yilmaz et al. have demonstrated PTSD in boys in the phallic period who are undergoing circumcision for phimosis.56 Rhinehart has documented posttraumatic stress disorder resulting from the perinatal trauma of circumcision in middle-aged males.48 substantial evidence that perinatal trauma16,33,45,46,47,49,52,57 and/or deprivation of pleasure8,19 contribute to later aggressive, violent, and/or suicidal behaviour. Anand and Scalzo suggest that early trauma predisposes to altered pain sensitivity, stress disorders, ADD/hyperactivity, and self-destructive disorders.65 Van der Kolk identified a compulsion in traumatized persons to repeat the trauma.18 Goldman reports that the performance of circumcision by a circumcised male doctor may be a reenactment of one's own circumcision trauma.47

Denial of loss. Persons who have lost body parts must grieve their loss.41,42,43,45 The first stage of grief is denial of the loss.25 Fitzgerald and Parkes state that "Anything that seriously impairs sensory or cognitive function is bound to have profound psychological effects, not only on the person who is affected but also on family, friends, workmates, and caregivers."42 The thought of permanent loss of sensory function is so painful that persons deny their loss in order to avoid facing the painful feelings.42 Denial of loss causes a flight from reality. Parkes et al. state that persons in denial may minimize their loss.41-43 Circumcision causes the loss of a body part and all of its functions including a drastic loss of erogenous sensory function, so denial of loss is not uncommon in circumcised males. Circumcised males may experience the full range of distress and emotional dysfunction resulting from loss. This frequently results in circumcised fathers adamantly insisting that a son be circumcised.25,29, 57

Fathers are frequently unable to vocalize their feelings. They will say that "I want my son to look like me," even though the child may be different in eye color, hair color, and other aspects. In fact, what the father really may be feeling is, "I don't want a son with an intact penis to remind me of what I have lost."

Effects of denial on medical doctors. Goldman states that some circumcised male medical doctors misuse the medical literature to support, rationalize, and justify their own loss; and to defend the practice of circumcision.47 Denniston reports that doctors "who have been cut themselves may be unable to stop cutting others."29 LeBourdais reports that the likelihood of a baby being circumcised is determined by the circumcision status of the a father; the sex, age, and circumcision status of the physician; amongst other factors. Goldman reports that doctors who are older, male, and circumcised are more likely to condone circumcision.47 Members of medical societies may have emotional issues that may preclude the objective formulation of policy concerning non-therapeutic male circumcision.55

Summary

Parents need to be aware that circumcision is dangerous. It involves traumatic loss of a body part. There is a definite potential for long-lasting psychologic injury. However, children differ unpredictably in their resilience to pain, trauma, and loss. Some individuals will be affected more seriously than others. Much more research is needed before we can fully understand the psychologic and social consequences of this traumatic life event.

Highlights

In the late 19th and early 20th Century, Sigmund Freud identified castration anxiety resulting from fear of operations on the genitals.1
Cole (1927) reported a fearful reaction that may have been the first reported case of a posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) flashback in which the stressor was circumcision, although he could not have known what he was reporting because PTSD was not recognized as a disorder until years later.
As early as 1929, British analyst Edward Glover reported a case of impotence secondary to castration anxiety caused by a particularly brutal circumcision. Glover also reported the behaviour of a medical doctor with an apparent obsessive-compulsive need to perform circumcisions.3
In 1945, David M. Levy, M.D., reported a study of many children who had undergone various surgical operations, including circumcisions. He found that many suffered from "combat neurosis", an early name for what is now known as posttraumatic stress disorder.4
Child psychiatrist Anna Freud discussed the role of bodily illness in the mental life of children in 1952. Freud stated that the combination of pain and anxiety can have devastasting effects on children.5
Child psychologist Gocke Cansever (1965) assessed 12 Turkish boys before and after they were circumcised. Cansever reported severe disturbances with functioning after the circumcision as measured by psychological testing.6
James Prescott (1975) reports on the origins of violence. Prescott believes that the deprivation of body pleasure contributes to the development of violent behaviour. 8 Circumcision removes the pleasure sensors in the foreskin and so deprives the individual of body pleasure.
Richards et al (1976) observed behaviour differences in male children in the US that were not found in male children in Europe. The US male children were circumcised while the European children were not circumcised. Richards suggested that the changes were due to circumcision.9
Grimes, apparently unaware of the work of Freud, Cansever, or Richards, wrote in 1978 that "[t]he application of crushing clamps and excision of penile tissue... probably do little to engender a trusting, congenial relationship with the infant's new surroundings."10
Kennedy reported the case of an adolescent boy traumatized by circumcision.12 Yorke subsequently reported on the need for additional study of psychic trauma. He cited the trauma of circumcision as an example.13
The Diagnostic Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM III) first identified the conditions that contribute to the development of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in 1980. The 1987 DSM-III-R reports the conditions described for the pathogenesis of PTSD. These are exactly similar to those experienced by the helpless infant undergoing circumcision.15
Perinatal psychologist David Chamberlain (1989) demonstrated that people under hypnosis can remember their birth and traumatic events associated with it.17
Van der Kolk (1989) reported that victims of trauma tend to reenact the trauma.18 These findings apply to many kinds of child abuse, and may help to explain why men and women who were victims of circumcision violence are more likely to perpetuate male and female circumcision violence.
Prescott (1989) contrasts the pain and trauma of circumcision with the pleasure and peace of avoided circumcision. He identifies the pain and lack of pleasure associated with circumcision with changes in brain development and behaviour. Prescott argues that the early genital pain of circumcision "encodes" the brain for later sadomasochistic tendencies, including violent destructive behaviours.19
Alice Miller (1991) discusses the effects of early child abuse and trauma on later violent and self-destructive behaviour.20
Walter and Streimer have reported a case of body dysmorphic disorder secondary to circumcision.21 Maguire and Parkes confirm that grief is common in persons who have lost body parts40.
Bigelow (1992,1995) reported that circumcised men who have become fathers in circumcising cultures often exhibit a behaviour described as "adamant father syndrome." The "adamant father" insists that his son be circumcised, even after a rational discussion is provided.25
Menage (1993) found post-traumatic stress disorder in women who have undergone genital procedures.26
Williams and Kapila surveyed the complications of circumcision in 1993. This is believed to be the first medical journal article of this type to discuss psychologic complications of circumcision in any detail.27
George C. Denniston, MD, MPH, (1994) discusses the psychological effects and behavior changes in adult men resulting from of denial of loss by penile circumcision.29
David Chamberlain, Ph.D. (1995) discusses the perinatal origin of later violent behaviour.33 Dr. Chamberlain argues that babies should not be circumcised.
Hepper (1996) reviews the literature that shows that fetal memory commences to operate well prior to birth and continues across the birth experience into the newborn period.34
Diamond provides a psychosexual follow-up report on the case of "John/Joan," who was "sexually reassigned" and raised as a girl following the total loss of his penis to a circumcision disaster. "John" was circumcised to treat a "fused foreskin"---even though this is a normal developmental condition in newborn boys.35 "John" (David Reimer of Winnipeg, Canada) was the subject of a book, As Nature Made Him, by journalist John Colapinto.
Taddio (1997) demonstrated that the pain of neonatal circumcision remembered at six months of age. The observed behaviour is suggestive of an infant analogue of post traumatic stress disorder.36
Psychologist Ronald Goldman reports the effects of the trauma of circumcision on the individual and society in a recent book.37
Hill (1997) reports the tendency of circumcised doctors and religious officials to cite false medical or religious grounds to justify circumcision.39
British child psychiatrist McFadyen (1998) reported the psychologic trauma experienced by her son following a circumcision operation.40 McFayden's description of her son's trauma is consistent with the early reports of Anna Freud4 and Cansever.5
British psychiatrists Maguire and Parkes (1998) reported on the need to grieve the loss of body parts.41 Failure to grieve the loss leaves the individual in a state of denial of loss and disconnected from the reality of the loss and injury.
Bradley et al. report on the failure of sex reassignment surgery in the management of penile ablation secondary to non-therapeutic circumcision.44
Menage (1998) reports on the psychological harm of male circumcision.45
Jacobsen and Bygdeman (1998) report that traumatic and/or painful procedures in the perinatal period seem to cause a greater propensity to suicide. The effect is markedly greater in males.46
Ronald Goldman, Ph. D. (1999) discusses the impact of circumcision on the child, on parents, on adults, on medical doctors, and on society.47
Psychiatrist John Rhinehart, MD, (1999) documents four cases of PTSD from his psychiatric practice.48
Boyle & Bensley report a survey of the psychological and sexual effects of male circumcision on men.50
Boyle and colleagues survey the psychological and sexual effects of infant circumcision.52
Yilmaz et al. administered psychological test to boys before and after circumcision. They found evidence that circumcision causes anxiety similar to post-traumatic stress disorder.54
Goldman discusses psychological, cultural, and religious factors that influence medical doctors who determine circumcision policy.55

See also The Birth Scene, a site having an excellent discussion of circumcision in four articles by leading writers.

Therapists

NOHARMM maintains a webpage listing therapists in various parts of the United States who are knowledgeable in helping men who have issues resulting from their circumcision.

Organizations

Circumcision Resource Center, Boston, USA
Society for the Psychological Study of Men and Masculinity (SPSMM)
(A Division of the American Psychological Association)
References

The psychology of male circumcision

Freud S. (1913) Totem and Taboo. Standard Edition, (13),1-161.
Cole EM. Circumcision and the abreaction of fear. J Neurol Psychopathol 1927;7(27):237-8. (PDF)
Glover E. The `screening' function of traumatic memories. Int J Psychoanal 1929; 10:90-93.
Levy DM. Psychic trauma of operations in children and a note on combat neurosis. Am J Dis Child 1945;69(1):7-25.
Freud, Anna. The role of bodily illness in the mental life of children. Psychoanalytic Study of the Child 1952; Vol 7: 69-81.
Cansever G. Psychological effects of circumcision. Brit J Med Psychol (1965), 38, p 321.
Oztürk O. Ritual circumcision and castration anxiety. Psychiatry 1973; 36: 55
Prescott JW. Body pleasure and the origins of violence. Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists 1975; November:10-20. (Link to www.violence.de)
Richards MPM, Bernal JF, and Brackbill Y. Early behavioural differences: gender or circumcision? Dev Psychobiol 1976;9:89-95.
Grimes DA. Routine circumcision of the newborn infant: A reappraisal. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1978; 130(2): 125-129.
Carter, Nicholas. Routine circumcision: The tragic myth. London: Londinium Press; Torrance, Calif.: Noontime Press, c1979.
Salk L, Lipsitt LP, Sturner WQ, et al. Relationship of maternal and perinatal conditions to eventual adolescent suicide. Lancet 1985;i:624-627.
Kennedy H. (1986) Trauma in Childhood. Psychol Study Child 41:209-219.
Yorke, C (1986). Reflections on the problem of psychic trauma. Psychol Study Child, 41:221-236.
American Psychiatric Association. Post-traumatic stress disorder. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual III-R (DSM-III-R), Washington 1987.
Jacobson B, Eklund G, Hamberger L, et al. Perinatal origin of adult self-destructive behaviour. Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavia 1987;76:364-371.
Chamberlain DB. "Babies Remember Pain." Pre- and Peri-natal Psychology Journal, Summer 1989. (courtesy Primal Psychotherapy Page)
van der Kolk, B. The compulsion to repeat the trauma: re-enactment, revictimization, and masochism. Psychiatric Clinics of North America 1989;12: 389-411.
Prescott, J. Genital pain vs. genital pleasure: why the one and not the other. The Truth Seeker 1989;1(3):14-21.
Miller A. Appendix: The Newly Recognized, Shattering Effects of Child Abuse. In: The Untouched Key: Tracing Childhood Trauma in Creativity and Destructiveness. Anchor Books (Doubleday) New York, 1991.(ISBN 0-385-26764-9) (Originally published as Der gemiedene Schlüssel by Suhrkampt Verlag am Main, 1988).
Walter G, Streimer J. Genital self-mutilation: Attempted foreskin reconstruction. Brit J Psych 1990;156:125-7.
Chamberlain DB. (1991) Babies Don't Feel Pain: A Century of Denial in Medicine. Presented at The Second International Symposium on Circumcision, San Francisco, California, May 2, 1991 (link to www.nocirc.org).
van der Kolk BA, Saporta J. The biological mechanisms and treatment of intrusion and numbing. Anxiety Research 1991;4:199-212.
van der Kolk BA, Perry JC, Herman JL. Childhood origins of self-destructive behavior. Am J Psychiatry 1991;148;1665-71.
Bigelow, Jim, Ph. D. Chapter 10, Psychological Factors Related to Infant Circumcision, pp.89-112. In:The Joy of Uncircumcising!, Hourglass Book Publishing, Inc., Aptos CA 95001, 1992, 1995. (ISBN 0-934061-22-X)
Menage J. Post-traumatic stress disorder in women who have undergone obstetric and/or gynaecological procedures: a consecutive series of 30 cases of PTSD. Journal of Reproductive and Infant Psychology 1993; 11:221-228.
Williams N, Kapila L. Complications of circumcision. Brit J Surg 1993;80:1231-1236.
Diamond, Jed. The Warrior's Journey Home: Healing Men, Healing the Planet. New Harbinger Publications, Inc., 1994.
Denniston GC. An Epidemic of Circumcision. Paper presented at the Third International Symposium on Circumision, University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland, May 22-25, 1994. (link to www.nocirc.org)
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder. In: American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV). Washington: American Psychiatric Association, 1994. (ISBN 0-890420062-9)
Gunnar MR, Porter FL, Wolf CM, et al. Neonatal stress receptivity: predictions to later emotional temperament. Child Dev 1995; 66: 1-13.
Davis M, Emory E. Sex differences in neonatal stress reactivity. Child Dev 1995; 66:14-27.
Chamberlain, David B. Birth and the origins of violence. Pre- and Perinatal Psychology Journal (Winter) 1995; 10(2): 57-74. (Link to www.birthpsychology.com)
Hepper PG. Fetal memory: does it exist? What does it do? Acta Paediatr Scand 1996, Suppl 416:16-20.
deMause L. Restaging fetal traumas in war and social violence. Pre- & Perinatal Psychology Journal 1996, 10(4), 227-258. (Link to www.primalspirit.com)
Diamond M. Sex reassignment at birth: a long term review and clinical implications. Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine 1997; 151;298-304.
Taddio A, Katz J, Ilersich AL. Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. Lancet 1997; 349 (9052): 599-603.
Goldman, Ronald F. Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma. Vanguard Publications, 1997. (ISBN 0-9644895-3-Cool
Hill G. Abolish circumcision in non-consenting children (letter) . Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, May 1997; #166:102.
McFadyen A. Children have feelings too. BMJ 1998; 316:1616.
Maguire P, Parkes CM. Coping With Loss: Surgery and loss of body Parts. [Part 4/10.] Brit Med J 1998; 316(7137)
Fitzgerald RG, Parkes CM. Coping with loss: Blindness and loss of other sensory and cognitive functions..BMJ 1998;316:1160-1163.[Part 5/10]
Parkes CM. Coping with loss: Facing loss. BMJ 1998;316:1521-1524. [Part 10/10]
Bradley SJ, Oliver GD, Chernick AB. Experiment of Nurture: Ablatio Penis at 2 Months, Sex Reassignment at 7 Months, and a Psychosexual Follow-up in Young Adulthood. Pediatrics 1998;102(1):e9.
Menage J. (1998) Circumcision and psychological harm. (Link to www.norm-uk.co.uk)
Jacobson B, Bygdeman M. Obstetric care and proneness of offspring to suicide. BMJ 1998; 317:1346-49. (Link to www.bmj.com)
Goldman R. The psychological impact of circumcision. BJU International 1999; 83, Suppl. 1:93-102.
Rhinehart, John. Neonatal circumcision reconsidered. Transactional Analysis Journal 1999 Jul; Vol 29(3):215-221.
Boyle, G. J. (2000). Discurso tonico: El trastorno por estrés postraumático (PTSD) de larga duración como resultado de la cirugía genital de los menores. III Congresso Nacional de Psicología: "Violencia y Salud Mental." San Salvador, El Salvador, 6 y 7 octubre 2000. (en español)
Boyle GJ, Bensley GA. Adverse sexual and psychological effects of male infant circumcision. Psychological Reports 2001;88:1105-1106.
Boyle GJ. Los efectos adversos sobre la salud mental de larga duración como resultado de la circuncisión no terapéutica de los niños. VI Congreso Iberoamericano de Psicología de la Salud. Universidad Maimónides, Buenos Aires, 30 de septiembre al 3 de octubre, 2001. (en español)
Boyle GJ, Goldman R, Svoboda JS, Fernandez E. Male circumcision: pain, trauma and psychosexual sequelae. J Health Psychology 2002;7(3):329-43.
Boyle G. J. (2002). La Circuncisión No Terapéutica de los Niños y su Relación con el Estrés Postraumático. 9° Congreso Internacional de Psiquiatría, Buenos Aires, Octubre 22-25, 2002. (en español)
Yilmaz E. Batislam E, Basar MM, Basar H. Psychological trauma of circumcision in the phallic period could be avoided by using topical steroids. Int J Urol 2003;10(12):651-6.
Goldman R. Circumcision policy: a psychosocial perpective. Paediatr Child Health 2004;9(9):630-3. (Offsite link)
Behrendt A, Moritz S. Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and Memory Problems After Female Genital Mutilation. Am J Psychiatry 2005;162:1000-2.
Hill G. Circumcision and human behavior. Genital Wholeness 2012.

The neurology of male circumcision

The study of neurological changes secondary to circumcision is in its infancy. Neurological changes have been demonstrated secondary to pain, stress, and trauma.22 Fitzgerald et al. report experimentation in animals.59,60 In addition, brain atrophy/dis-organization by sensory deprivation after removal of the pleasure sensors in the prepuce has been hypothesized by Immerman and Mackey.61,61

Goleman D. Early Violence Leaves Its Mark on the Brain. The New York Times, Tuesday, October 3, 1995, Pg. C1.
Bower B. Exploring trauma's cerebral side. Science News 1996;149:315.
Stein M, Koverola C, Hanna C, et al. Hippocampal volume in women victimized by childhood abuse. Psychol Med 1997;27:951-9.
Fitzgerald M. The birth of pain. MRC News 1998; Summer:20-23.
Fitzgerald M, Walker S. The role of activity in developing pain pathways. In: Dostovsky JO, Carr DB, Koltzenburg M (eds). Proceedings of the 10th World Congress on Pain. Progress in Pain Research and Management, Vol. 24. Seattle: IASP Press, 2003, pp 185-96.
The next two documents are problematical.63,64 Immerman & Mackey (1998) set forth an informed hypothesis that removal of the sensors in the prepuce cause brain disorganization/atrophy. Thereafter they seek to justify circumcision by arguing that brain disorganization/atrophy has desirable social effects. This is not consistent with the principles of good medicine. Immerman and Mackey's defense of circumcision's maleficial effect on the brain in these articles may illustrate Goldman's revelation that some medical doctors may use 'Intellectual activity ...as an extremely clever apparatus precisely for the avoidance of facts, as an activity which distracts from reality' when they write about circumcision.46 This is a way in which many circumcised men deny the reality of their loss.38 This sometimes manifests itself in the scientific literature.46 Anand & Scalzo (2000) hypothesize that early abnormal stimulation of the nervous system (such as the pain of circumcision) affect the development of the nervous system and influence behavior.64

Immerman RS, Mackey WC. A biocultural analysis of circumcision: a kinder gentler tumescence. Soc Biol 1998; 44:265-275.
Immerman RS, Mackey WC. A proposed relationship between circumcision and neural reorganization. J Genet Psychol 1998; 159(3):367-378.
Anand KJ, Scalzo FM. Can adverse neonatal experiences alter brain development and subsequent behavior? Biol Neonate 2000;77(2):69-82.
[See also The Anthropology and Sociology of Circumcision.]

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/

a few links with info:

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about 85% of the worlds men are uncircumcised. No goeverment medical group recomends routine circumcision and some goverments even have made it illegal
Source(s):
being natural and info about it
about the natural penis http://www.hachettebookgroupusa.com/book…

Foreskin anatomy and function (keeps the glans soft and protects it, http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/ ........... http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

female partners of natural men enjoy sex more http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/408/…

reasons not to get circumcised http://www.circumstitions.com/Functions.…

http://www.asstr.org/~Kristen/learning/u…

Governments and hospitals no longer recommend it http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0…

Circumcision = loss of sensitivity study http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2855… http://www.circumstitions.com/Sexuality.…

Circumcision is extremely painful. http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/pl… http://www.notjustskin.org/en/circumcisi…

The USA is the last advanced nation doing it, but rates have fallen down from over 90% in the 1960s to as low as 21% here in California currently. From CNN: http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/U…

Worldwide circumcision rates http://www.circumstitions.com/Maps.html

And discussion of common circumcision benefit myths and discussion of all the risks that can develop over time and negative side effects (buried penis, meatal stenosis, etc): http://forums.govteen.com/showpost.php?p…

More circumcision info http://www.circumcision.org/studies.htm

Video of a baby getting circumcised http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNo…

getting circumcised does not necessarily stop penile cancer http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/conten…

more info http://www.icgi.org/information/full-dis…

Links to guys questions that have had a circumcision problem http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;… ..........

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?…

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;…

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;…

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;…

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:37 am

This particular trend began thousands of years ago because people of the time didnt wash much so it was an infection prevention measure (blowjob would be a truly stinkin' thing...) like the bible and christianism and all BS invented to keep the populus in check, such crap that hinder humanity's mental evolution should be left in the past one day soon...
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:34 am

HornusPornus wrote:
This particular trend began thousands of years ago because people of the time didnt wash much so it was an infection prevention measure (blowjob would be a truly stinkin' thing...) like the bible and christianism and all BS invented to keep the populus in check, such crap that hinder humanity's mental evolution should be left in the past one day soon...
I thought that it begun with the Egyptians some four thousand years ago and it had nothing to do with infections. If people did not wash their dicks before circumcision, they still would not do it after it. Perhaps the idea came by observing a snake to shed its skin. Snakes get lethargic, don't eat and look pale dead just before shedding. After shedding, the snake comes back to life, full of energy and with a beautiful shinny new skin....a kind off re-birth/afterlife so important for the people at that time.

from wikipedia:
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The origination of male circumcision is not known with certainty. It has been variously proposed that it began as a religious sacrifice, as a rite of passage marking a boy's entrance into adulthood, as a form of sympathetic magic to ensure virility or fertility, as a means of enhancing sexual pleasure, as an aid to hygiene where regular bathing was impractical, as a means of marking those of higher social status, as a means of humiliating enemies and slaves by symbolic castration, as a means of differentiating a circumcising group from their non-circumcising neighbors, as a means of discouraging masturbation or other socially proscribed sexual behaviors, as a means of removing "excess" pleasure, as a means of increasing a man's attractiveness to women, as a demonstration of one's ability to endure pain, or as a male counterpart to menstruation or the breaking of the hymen, or to copy the rare natural occurrence of a missing foreskin of an important leader, and as a display of disgust of the smegma produced by the foreskin. It has been suggested that the custom of circumcision gave advantages to tribes that practiced it and thus led to its spread.[1][2][3] Darby describes these theories as "conflicting", and states that "the only point of agreement among proponents of the various theories is that promoting good health had nothing to do with it."[2] Immerman et al. suggest that circumcision causes lowered sexual arousal of pubescent males, and hypothesize that this was a competitive advantage to tribes practising circumcision, leading to its spread.[4] Wilson suggests that circumcision reduces insemination efficiency, reducing a man's capacity for extra-pair fertilizations by impairing sperm competition. Thus, men who display this signal of sexual obedience, may gain social benefits, if married men are selected to offer social trust and investment preferentially to peers who are less threatening to their paternity.[5] It is possible that circumcision arose independently in different cultures for different reasons.
The oldest documentary evidence for circumcision comes from ancient Egypt.[6] Circumcision was common, although not universal, among ancient Semitic peoples.[7] In the aftermath of the conquests of Alexander the Great, however, Greek dislike of circumcision (they regarded a man as truly "naked" only if his prepuce was retracted) led to a decline in its incidence among many peoples that had previously practiced it.[8]
Circumcision has ancient roots among several ethnic groups in sub-equatorial Africa, and is still performed on adolescent boys to symbolize their transition to warrior status or adulthood.[9]

Independently of when, why or how this practice started , this is still pretty fucked up primitive stuff with several psychological consequences and is still widely practiced in "modern" brainwashed American society.
I think that Greeks are not circumcised, right?
Any problems because of that apart from the eternal hornyness?


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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:44 pm

lol we Greeks..we love our dicks Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:47 pm

hey...why is eternal hornyness a problem ?!!
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:48 pm

now i'm really tempted to post that Satyr statue's photo (the horny goat-man) but i know it upsets you hehe
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:26 pm

HornusPornus wrote:
now i'm really tempted to post that Satyr statue's photo (the horny goat-man) but i know it upsets you hehe
It is not that I don't like the horny goat-man with big hard dick. I'm more into girls in black bikinis.

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:30 pm

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hey...why is eternal hornyness a problem ?!!
kind of annoying for the women, but very healthy for a man.

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:10 am

Oliver wrote:
HornusPornus wrote:
hey...why is eternal hornyness a problem ?!!
kind of annoying for the women, but very healthy for a man.
That's why God allmighty, in HIS infinite wisdom fully understanding the male needs made lots of women, if some are annoyed by hornyness there are always replacements har har pity there are no gurls posting here i'd love to read their hysterical responses....
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:29 am

HornusPornus wrote:
Oliver wrote:
HornusPornus wrote:
hey...why is eternal hornyness a problem ?!!
kind of annoying for the women, but very healthy for a man.
That's why God allmighty, in HIS infinite wisdom fully understanding the male needs made lots of women, if some are annoyed by hornyness there are always replacements har har pity there are no gurls posting here i'd love to read their hysterical responses....
Patience, horny grasshopper....they will come.

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:02 pm

i love when they cum....
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:09 pm

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i love when they cum....
With perverts like you around, no wonder the girls are keeping their distance....we need to start posting some girly stuff. I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:33 am

Girly stuff...first you turn to Christianity, now you wanna post about Love and Light and Lipstick....dude, i'm worried about you....
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:51 am

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Girly stuff...first you turn to Christianity, now you wanna post about Love and Light and Lipstick....dude, i'm worried about you....
I'll do anything to get a hairy pussy in here.....actually I'm getting desperate. any pussy will do.

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:00 am

i have deleted my photobucket account otherwise i'd post a pic of a pussycat...at least i'd be hairy enough but the fucked animals scratch badly, chickens are better...and this feathery feel...mmm....yup i'm desperate too muahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:25 am

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i have deleted my photobucket account otherwise i'd post a pic of a pussycat...at least i'd be hairy enough but the fucked animals scratch badly, chickens are better...and this feathery feel...mmm....yup i'm desperate too muahaha
Indigo Bestiality....here we go.

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:13 am

bah in truth, i prefer my hand....available whenever i want it, no bedtalk or period or bad days or crazy hormones...and animals require care and food and shit and they bite....what a fucked up world...
I suppose it's good that according to the priests Apocalypse will happen soon, after it all will be perfect, we won't have to fuck to make kids as we'll be immortal and eternal and shit so we wont need sinful sex anymore...
Jokes apart, just imagine our mind being free from this pussy obsession....maybe final freedom....
Enough philosophy and silly jokse, I think it's time for some porn...
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:57 am

From a girl's perspective....at least for myself....

I dated a guy who wasn't circumcised. It didn't bother me emotionally, BUT....as clean as he was, I always ended up with bladder infections from sex with him. That foreskin traps a lot of dead skin cells and bacteria, and he'd scrub it pink, but it still made me sick.

My husband is circumcised and we don't have that problem.

But since I don't have a penis, is it really fair for me to have an opinion about it? NO....I just know what works better with my body and that is no foreskin.
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:48 am

Shining wrote:
From a girl's perspective....at least for myself....

I dated a guy who wasn't circumcised. It didn't bother me emotionally, BUT....as clean as he was, I always ended up with bladder infections from sex with him. That foreskin traps a lot of dead skin cells and bacteria, and he'd scrub it pink, but it still made me sick.

My husband is circumcised and we don't have that problem.

But since I don't have a penis, is it really fair for me to have an opinion about it? NO....I just know what works better with my body and that is no foreskin.

Have you ever consider that the problem was in your head and not in his penis?
He could have been giving you infections with his tongue and not his penis.
Getting bladder infections during intercourse with an uncircumcised dude sounds more like a "circumcision country myth" fueled by profit and ignorance, than real science. Keep in mind that 85% of the world's male population is uncircumcised and everybody fucks all the time.
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Urinary tract infections (UTIs) are very uncomfortable, and if left untreated they can lead to serious illness. Once you have had one UTI, it seems that you will be prone for more. There are many possible causes for urinary tract infections; the most common cause for UTI is from E. coli bacteria and yeast which is spread from the rectal and vaginal to the urinary meatus. UTIs are most common among females, because women have a short meatus that is in close proximity to vagina and rectum. Other triggers for UTI are diet, dehydration, having diabetes, overuse of antibiotics, sexual activity, contraceptives and allergies.

Common cause of urinary tract infections in women number 1 -- E. coli and yeast infections

E. coli and yeast infections are common causes of urinary tract infections. These organisms are spread to the bladder when they travel from the rectum and vaginal area to the urinary meatus in women. Once the bacteria or fungi have reached the opening of the meatus, they have a clear shot into the urethra and can enter the bladder.

Always clean your private area from front to back after using the bathroom. The act of wiping from back to front is what spreads the organisms toward the urinary tract.

When bathing, use the same technique as mentioned above. When washing, clean your private are from front to back, never wash from back to front. Always move the cloth from the cleanest to the dirtiest and never the other way around. Pathogenic organisms can easily be moved mechanically to the urinary tract by using the wrong cleansing technique.

Common cause of urinary tract infections in women number 2 - Dietary additives

What we eat and drink can trigger urinary tract infections. The chemicals put in foods for preservatives and the chemicals in soft drinks can make it easier for the organisms to colonize on the wall of the urinary bladder. Additives in foods, such as high fructose, caffeine, alcohol can increase the likelihood to developing UTIs. Foods high in sugar content can promote the growth of bacteria and yeast.

To prevent urinary tract infections, you can alter the internal environment of your body by drinking more acidic beverages such as cranberry juice and lemon juice. Avoid foods high in sugar content. Also avoid foods and beverages which contain alcohol and caffeine. Avoid dark sodas and diet sodas. The phosphoric acid in the dark sodas can increase the risk of developing a urinary tract infection.

It is important to avoid foods and beverages which will irritate the urinary tract and embrace foods that contain antioxidants to prevent infections from occurring in the first place. Fruits, especially berries, are high in disease fighting antioxidants.

Common cause of urinary tract infections in women number 3 - Dehydration

Dehydration can trigger a UTI; inadequate hydration can put stress on the kidneys, heart and immune system. When the immune system is compromised, bacteria can multiply much easier in the urinary tract.

It is important to keep the urinary tract flushed out. Drinking enough water will give the body's cells sufficient hydration to remain healthy. Staying hydrated will flush out the bacteria which enter into the urinary tract.

Common cause of urinary tract infections number 4 - Diabetes

Diabetes puts stress on the entire body. A common characteristic of diabetes is that the blood contains elevated levels of glucose. People, especially women, who have elevated glucose levels, are prone to yeast infections. Yeast infections can trigger a urinary tract infection.

A good way for diabetics to prevent UTIs is to try to keep their blood glucose levels under control. It is important to avoid foods and beverages which will increase the blood sugar level. It is also important to stay well hydrated to flush out bacteria.

Common cause of urinary tract infections number 5 - Overuse or misuse of antibiotics

In the past, doctors would order us antibiotics every time we had a cold or sniffle or any type of infection. Unfortunately, antibiotics aren't always the best choice. The overuse of antibiotics has created super-germs over the recent decades. The bacteria become resistant to many of the antibiotics we take to kill an infection. Oftentimes, misuse of antibiotics can also trigger a urinary tract infection.

When antibiotics are prescribed, it is important to take them until the prescription is gone. Oftentimes, the infection "appears" to be gone when we feel better and stop taking the antibiotic. When the medication gradually leaves the body, the stunned bacteria become active again and adapt to their environment and form a resistance to the medication.

Common cause of urinary tract infections number 6 - Sexual activity

For younger women, most urinary tract infections occur within 24 hours of having sexual contact. Sexual position may be a factor in a woman developing a urinary tract infection, such as when the woman assumes the top position during intercourse. A fairly common diagnosis among younger women is "honeymoon cystitis."

To prevent urinary tract infections during times of sexual activity, it is important to bathe your genital area before and after sexual contact. It is also important to avoid sexual positions which cause more friction. Friction during sexual activity can cause enough irritation to promote cystitis which can result in a urinary tract infection.

Common cause of urinary tract infections number 7 - Contraceptives

Women who use a diaphragm as a contraceptive device are more likely to get a urinary tract infection than women who don't. Certain types of condoms and spermicidal foams can also increase the likelihood of inducing UTIs in women.

Ask your doctor what you can do to prevent UTIs when using spermicidal preparations and diaphragms for contraceptive purposes. It could just be a matter of changing the type or size of the diaphragm or changing from one spermicidal agent to another. Always wash your hands before handling the diaphragm while inserting it and taking it out.

Common cause of urinary tract infections number 8 - Allergies

Sometimes urinary tract infections are initially caused by allergic reactions to the products that women use in their private area. Soaps, deodorants, powders and other products can cause allergies and inflammation to the tissues around the urinary meatus. Some of these products may promote the growth of microorganisms in the woman's private area.

If you are prone to UTIs, you might need to avoid using powders, deodorants and perfumed soaps on the peri-area. If you have questions about possible allergic reactions to products used on your private area, talk to your doctor.

Conclusion

If you have symptoms of a urinary tract infection, such as pain or burning during urination, frequent urge to urinate, or if your urine smells strong, you should drink more water and avoid foods and products which can cause irritation to the urinary tract. If you have a fever, your body is trying to fight an infection. If your symptoms don't go away in a couple of days, it may be necessary to see your doctor for a diagnostic evaluation and treatment.

Sources:

http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_risk_factors_urinary_tract_infections__000036_4.htm

http://www.femail.com.au/uti.htm

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/urinary-tract-infection/DS00286

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Common cause of urinary tract infections number 6 - Sexual activity

For younger women, most urinary tract infections occur within 24 hours of having sexual contact. Sexual position may be a factor in a woman developing a urinary tract infection, such as when the woman assumes the top position during intercourse. A fairly common diagnosis among younger women is "honeymoon cystitis."

To prevent urinary tract infections during times of sexual activity, it is important to bathe your genital area before and after sexual contact. It is also important to avoid sexual positions which cause more friction. Friction during sexual activity can cause enough irritation to promote cystitis which can result in a urinary tract infection.
As you can see, no mention of uncircumcised penises in there, in fact uncircumcised penises cause less friction because there is some movement of the penis inside of the skin....just look at a guy masturbating....the penis doesn't move, what moves is the skin surrounding it.
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:11 am

YAYYYYYYY a gurl is posting here....ahhh the smell of pussssssyyyy......
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:16 am

So maybe he just had a dirty mouth and needed Orbitz?LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:19 am

LOL thanks for the laughs...but dirty is goood, especially a mouth...mm...
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:47 am

HornusPornus wrote:
YAYYYYYYY a gurl is posting here....ahhh the smell of pussssssyyyy......
Don't get too excited before checking the level of shaving, we need to see some pictures in here, or at least a detailed description of the product.

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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:57 am

Oliver wrote:
HornusPornus wrote:
YAYYYYYYY a gurl is posting here....ahhh the smell of pussssssyyyy......
Don't get too excited before checking the level of shaving, we need to see some pictures in here, or at least a detailed description of the product.
Oh i wholeheartedly agree man, but beggars can be choosers muahaha bush or no bush as long as it's hungry it's ok
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PostSubject: Re: Circumstition   Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:52 am

This seems to come from one of those women magazines, yet surprisingly with a very good, moderate and intelligent POV.
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To circumcise or not to circumcise: That is the question. There has been a long-running debate amongst public health officials and sex educators on the subject, with major studies lending evidence to both sides.

Circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin of the penis, usually performed on infants. Pro-circumcision advocates believe that circumcision improves public health by reducing transmission of infections. Meanwhile, those who are anti-circumcision believe that it is a form of genital mutilation whose health benefits can be easily attained through simple hygiene and safe sex practices.


But what about sexual pleasure? Does circumcision reduce sexual sensation for men? Well, a new medical study from Belgium suggests that there is a small "but significant" difference in reported sexual pleasure, favoring men with intact foreskin. Additionally, the study reports that circumcised men report more incidents of "pain and numbness" during arousal due to the presence of scar tissue.

To those of us in the sex education field, there is not a whole lot of mystery about the relationship between circumcision and sexual pleasure. The foreskin has thousands of nerve endings and is an important part of the male sexual system. Removal of the foreskin also leaves the head of the penis — the most sensitive part of the male genitals — constantly exposed. Constant rubbing on clothing and exposure to temperature changes reduces the sensitivity and responsiveness of the nerve endings, creating the demand for more stimulation to trigger a pleasure response.

The head of the penis is the anatomical homologue (match) to the head of the clitoris. So for all the ladies reading this, imagine the very tip of your clitoris constantly exposed and rubbing against your clothes, and you can begin to imagine the desensitization that would occur over time. The clitoris is protected not only by the clitoral hood (the match to the foreskin), but also the fleshy labia. The foreskin is nature's protective sheath for the sensitive head of the penis.

The foreskin keeps the glans of the penis moist and warm. During arousal, it slowly retracts to expose the glans and acts as a fleshy sheath through which you can stimulate the penis. Many uncircumcised men love the feeling of the foreskin being moved over their erect penis, just as many women love to have their clitoris stimulated from the side, using the hood to buffer direct stimulation.

Missing from the debate about male circumcision has been the question about female pleasure. As a sex educator, I have spoken with thousands of women about their experience of intercourse with circumcised and uncircumcised men, and a clear pattern has emerged. It seems that circumcision not only effects male pleasure, it changes how they make love. Circumcised men tend to penetrate much more vigorously, in the jackhammer style that is so familiar from our cultural depiction of intercourse. This style of penetration comes from a desperate search for more stimulation and the need to concentrate sensations on the tip of the penis.


Uncircumcised men, on the other hand, often penetrate with more finesse, using a slower rhythm and more of an undulating motion. The intact foreskin acts as a sheath that glides over the penis with every thrust, creating more pleasure and reducing the need to thrust with as much force to create sensation.
Some men who have been circumcised go to great lengths to regrow their foreskin, using stretching techniques to create as much of a protective sheath as they can. Online communities are buzzing with groups of men who support one another through the process of stretching, taping and massaging their foreskin. One organization, ForeGen, is even exploring the medical possibility of regenerating the tissue of the foreskin with stem cell technology.

Most men rely on manual techniques and devices like the TLCTugger to slowly stretch the skin and create the desired result, a protective sheath for the head of the penis. While these men will never be able to regenerate the thousands of nerve endings lost when their foreskins were clipped, they can protect the sensitive head of the penis by lengthening the slack skin of the flaccid penis. Many report success in reshaping a functional foreskin that protects the head of their penis and increased sensitivity over time.


Circumcised men and their partners need not despair. There is still more than enough erotic pleasure to be enjoyed. Anyone can learn to experience more sexual pleasure and develop the skills to give their lover profound orgasms. As sex educators, we have focused on erotic touch techniques out of the belief that anyone can experience intense pleasure when touched with skill, yet many of us have not yet learned to use our hands (the greatest sex toy ever invented, perhaps!) with confidence and finesse.

Using a range of erotic touch techniques can activate more nerve endings and slowly sensitize the penis to more subtle stimulation, opening up new kinds of pleasure for circumcised men. In addition, women who have already had orgasms through manual or oral stimulation often report that intercourse becomes much more pleasurable. So while circumcised men may be missing up to 20,000 nerve endings, it is still possible to enjoy a fully satisfying erotic life.

Ultimately, if we take a step back from the cultural debate over circumcision and pay attention to the natural design of the male sexual system, the foreskin is clearly not an extra, disposable part. The foreskin plays an important, functional role in male sexual pleasure. If we value sexual pleasure, if we honor the importance of both the ability to give and receive pleasure, it becomes evident that circumcision is an invasive surgery with serious consequences for both men and their future lovers. 80% of the world's male population is intact, while currently about 60% of baby boys born in the United States are routinely clipped.

In the absence of religious demand or the rare medical need for circumcision (very rarely, the foreskin is too tight and creates painful erection, in which case it may be loosened but not removed all together), there is no widespread need for male circumcision. It is time we end the standardization of a medical procedure on infant boys that creates lifelong consequences in the most intimate realm of a man's life. It is time we, as a culture, celebrate the importance of sexual pleasure and respect the natural beauty and function of both the male and female sexual system. Until then, we can all learn to experience more pleasure in our bodies, just as they are.



http://www.yourtango.com/experts/pleasure-mechanics/circumcision

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