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PostSubject: Smart Phones Dumb People   Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:29 am

A couple of months ago I watched a program about the greatest inventions ever and THE SMART PHONE CAME IN FIRST.
I actually think that perhaps they could be right....time will tell. The reason is that a smart phone on the hands of dumb people could make them even dumber, but on the hands of smart people it could be revolutionary.
I'm just loving mine.
Do you remember that time when you had a question and the only way to get an answer was to go to a library and spend half day in there searching and researching? Now I can get the answers anywhere and anytime.
I can get the weather forecast for anyplace in the World.
I can get directions to any place I want to go.
I can find the nearest Italian restaurant and get directions to there.
I can record messages of things to do.
I can write notes.
I can read and write emails.
I can even print stuff home from my phone anywhere in the World.
I can schedule my appointments.
I can set an alarm.
I can launch apps with a voice command.
.......shit, pretty soon I would be able to get a blow job from my phone.

I remember how frustrating used to be to get the information I craved for my intellectual development, something like my brain was restrained by a straitjacket, now everything is a lot easier....feeding my brain has never been so easy.
I just fixed a battery drain in my car...it cost me ZER0....thanks for an article I read on my phone.
One of the biggest consequences of smart phone's usage could be a rapid social widening of the intellectual gap. Most people will become addicted/slaves to phones by playing games, text messaging, and posting shit on facebook while some would be taking fully advantage of the new technologies and move ahead.
It is still too soon to tell, I personally find them exciting and dangerous at the same time..... e-slavery could be one of the outcomes.

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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:40 pm

What a great way to keep records of everyone's habits, preferences, actions, etc etc etc....smart phone indeed ! Little brother is much more efficient than the Big one...Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:32 pm

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What a great way to keep records of everyone's habits, preferences, actions, etc etc etc....smart phone indeed ! Little brother is much more efficient than the Big one...Wink
I just found one feature on my phone showing every place on a map where I took pictures. It even shows a dot 12 miles out in the ocean from my latest fishing trip.
If I ever get in trouble with the law, I''ll tie up my telephone to a cat and light some firecrackers on his tail. lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:51 am

The smartest thing to do is find a way to get of the fucking grid, dude. Mankind is turning into a species of mindless idiots living in front of their pc's.
I had a moment of claritywhen we went to the village for the weekend, we enjoyed unusally warm weather here lately so we thought of seizing the opportunity to get away from the big city a bit. So i took my acoustic 12-string along, sat in a sunny place looking at the sea and the clouds and played a nice song, one of the silly stuff i write to pass the time.
Then i realized what's real life, at least in my eyes, not necessarily right for everyone. Away from humans BS, away from the ratrace, close to nature, having a good time in the real world.
I see so many people turning into e-slaves, man....addicted to Facebook and Twitter and all that CRAP, exchaning text messages for hours, doing all kinds of meaningless shit....Omar said it once, when you close the computer, it's all gone, and in the end nobody gives a flying fuck about anyone else, nobody really cares....
I think i'm done with this e-universe, and you know what...it feels good....tra-la-la.....i got meself a harmonica too...learn some blues...
See ya...
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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:23 am

Yo I think you're in denial about your own "addiction."

Calling others out for being addicted to games, while you're just as addicted to your calendar and alarm, etc., is not fair.

Both of your will suffer severe withdrawal symptoms if a forced cold turkey quit were imposed.

But that's just my perception that these devices are so awesome that I'll have to pass. See, I personally don't like to be controlled, and that's what generally lies at the foundation of my motives. I was once addicted to smartphones. Then tough times forced a cold turkey quit. The withdrawal symptoms were rough, but I do emerge somewhat like a drug user never wanting to go back.

Yea seriously, that's how I feel. Anyone else, the very few, who have broken loose from the chains of smartphonelandia, might tell you the same.

Maybe you're still on your initial high, and it hasn't totally worn off. Eventually you'll realize it's like this extention of your body that you can't live without.

Try this exercise. Delete your smartphone device in your mind. You dont have it anymore. That "oh shit... I don't have my _________" feeling, right down the first few major ones that you'll miss. For example, all your notes gone.

Could you do without this thing?

Your answer to that question might surprise you.
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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:13 am

GenericTylerDurden wrote:
Yo I think you're in denial about your own "addiction."

Calling others out for being addicted to games, while you're just as addicted to your calendar and alarm, etc., is not fair.

Both of your will suffer severe withdrawal symptoms if a forced cold turkey quit were imposed.

But that's just my perception that these devices are so awesome that I'll have to pass. See, I personally don't like to be controlled, and that's what generally lies at the foundation of my motives. I was once addicted to smartphones. Then tough times forced a cold turkey quit. The withdrawal symptoms were rough, but I do emerge somewhat like a drug user never wanting to go back.

Yea seriously, that's how I feel. Anyone else, the very few, who have broken loose from the chains of smartphonelandia, might tell you the same.

Maybe you're still on your initial high, and it hasn't totally worn off. Eventually you'll realize it's like this extention of your body that you can't live without.

Try this exercise. Delete your smartphone device in your mind. You dont have it anymore. That "oh shit... I don't have my _________" feeling, right down the first few major ones that you'll miss. For example, all your notes gone.

Could you do without this thing?

Your answer to that question might surprise you.
You are right and wrong.....
YES, I fit the definition of "addicted" to smart phones and I'm learning more ways to take advantage of the technology, but NO, because of two reasons:
----You cannot say that people are addicted to clothes, brick houses, processed food, cars, etc, because nowadays those things are part of the modern life and we don't even think of it as an addiction.
----I don't really think that I'm really addicted to anything, things seems to come and go even the stuff I like and it is considered addictive... porn and alcohol for example come and go. I haven't watched porn for a week and I'm still have some bottles of beer sitting in my refrigerator for over one month.
How about internet/forum addiction?
At one point I was online most of the time, now not so much. I didn't take my laptop with me when I went on vacation last year (twice).
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that I suffer from "TEMPORARY ADDICTIONS" .lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:54 am

Oliver wrote:
GenericTylerDurden wrote:
Yo I think you're in denial about your own "addiction."

Calling others out for being addicted to games, while you're just as addicted to your calendar and alarm, etc., is not fair.

Both of your will suffer severe withdrawal symptoms if a forced cold turkey quit were imposed.

But that's just my perception that these devices are so awesome that I'll have to pass. See, I personally don't like to be controlled, and that's what generally lies at the foundation of my motives. I was once addicted to smartphones. Then tough times forced a cold turkey quit. The withdrawal symptoms were rough, but I do emerge somewhat like a drug user never wanting to go back.

Yea seriously, that's how I feel. Anyone else, the very few, who have broken loose from the chains of smartphonelandia, might tell you the same.

Maybe you're still on your initial high, and it hasn't totally worn off. Eventually you'll realize it's like this extention of your body that you can't live without.

Try this exercise. Delete your smartphone device in your mind. You dont have it anymore. That "oh shit... I don't have my _________" feeling, right down the first few major ones that you'll miss. For example, all your notes gone.

Could you do without this thing?

Your answer to that question might surprise you.
You are right and wrong.....
YES, I fit the definition of "addicted" to smart phones and I'm learning more ways to take advantage of the technology, but NO, because of two reasons:
----You cannot say that people are addicted to clothes, brick houses, processed food, cars, etc, because nowadays those things are part of the modern life and we don't even think of it as an addiction.
----I don't really think that I'm really addicted to anything, things seems to come and go even the stuff I like and it is considered addictive... porn and alcohol for example come and go. I haven't watched porn for a week and I'm still have some bottles of beer sitting in my refrigerator for over one month.
How about internet/forum addiction?
At one point I was online most of the time, now not so much. I didn't take my laptop with me when I went on vacation last year (twice).
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that I suffer from "TEMPORARY ADDICTIONS" .lol.

Okay "addiction" is a subjective term when it comes to many things that have become a way of life. I'm kind of a rare nut that had everything stripped away at once, car, cell, etc., so that when I woke up I did see how 'attached' I was. When the majority of people start to use something, it behooves the rest of us to jump on that bandwagon, else we are "left behind."

My own journey, often seemingly lonesome, is to remain as anxiety free as possible. I realized that increasing ones attachments (material possessions included) also increases one's anxiety. When one has or acquires something, one also acquires the anxiety of potential loss. This may happen sub-consciously at first-- but it is best expressed in the phrase, "you don't know what you've got until you lose it." Our tendency to take things for granted causes us to ignore just how much we rely on "stuff."

I just don't like not being "in control."

Some of these things are inevitable, like this ipad I use to check Internet forums before and after work. However, I am totally in a position to say "bye bye" to any of my things without freaking out. I used to behave like a pompous bastard, just totally refusing to ever ride the bus. I just didnt look at it as a possibility. Only the poor, lower-class people ride the bus right?

It's a first-world problem of course, but being forced into riding the bus when I had to sell my car made me realize the attachment I had to my car (just having a car). I also grew as a person being forced to do something so initially uncomfortable. I learned patience for once. Once you get on the bus, destiny is out of your control; whereas, driving your own car, you can control how slow or fast you move.

I do think that a good measure whether or not something is an "addiction," is to analyze the anxiety effect of not having that thing in your life. It's debatable, but smartphones have not yet reached that necessity status like a car has. I think it's reasonable to say most people can still live without a smartphone; yet, removing smartphones from society would almost be like cutting off one's leg. We'd likely bleed to death or die from the trauma. The economy would screech to a crawl because smartphones speed up communication, especially business communication.

Yet I probably share the same views about society and technology as the creators of The Matrix and Fight Club. On the one hand, technology elevates us to great heights of civilization. On the other hand, I feel it is leading us down a path of... Disconnection..? That's the best single word I can come up with. I don't like feeling disconnected from who I really am.
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PostSubject: Re: Smart Phones Dumb People   Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:13 pm

GenericTylerDurden wrote:
Oliver wrote:
GenericTylerDurden wrote:
Yo I think you're in denial about your own "addiction."

Calling others out for being addicted to games, while you're just as addicted to your calendar and alarm, etc., is not fair.

Both of your will suffer severe withdrawal symptoms if a forced cold turkey quit were imposed.

But that's just my perception that these devices are so awesome that I'll have to pass. See, I personally don't like to be controlled, and that's what generally lies at the foundation of my motives. I was once addicted to smartphones. Then tough times forced a cold turkey quit. The withdrawal symptoms were rough, but I do emerge somewhat like a drug user never wanting to go back.

Yea seriously, that's how I feel. Anyone else, the very few, who have broken loose from the chains of smartphonelandia, might tell you the same.

Maybe you're still on your initial high, and it hasn't totally worn off. Eventually you'll realize it's like this extention of your body that you can't live without.

Try this exercise. Delete your smartphone device in your mind. You dont have it anymore. That "oh shit... I don't have my _________" feeling, right down the first few major ones that you'll miss. For example, all your notes gone.

Could you do without this thing?

Your answer to that question might surprise you.
You are right and wrong.....
YES, I fit the definition of "addicted" to smart phones and I'm learning more ways to take advantage of the technology, but NO, because of two reasons:
----You cannot say that people are addicted to clothes, brick houses, processed food, cars, etc, because nowadays those things are part of the modern life and we don't even think of it as an addiction.
----I don't really think that I'm really addicted to anything, things seems to come and go even the stuff I like and it is considered addictive... porn and alcohol for example come and go. I haven't watched porn for a week and I'm still have some bottles of beer sitting in my refrigerator for over one month.
How about internet/forum addiction?
At one point I was online most of the time, now not so much. I didn't take my laptop with me when I went on vacation last year (twice).
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that I suffer from "TEMPORARY ADDICTIONS" .lol.

Okay "addiction" is a subjective term when it comes to many things that have become a way of life. I'm kind of a rare nut that had everything stripped away at once, car, cell, etc., so that when I woke up I did see how 'attached' I was. When the majority of people start to use something, it behooves the rest of us to jump on that bandwagon, else we are "left behind."

My own journey, often seemingly lonesome, is to remain as anxiety free as possible. I realized that increasing ones attachments (material possessions included) also increases one's anxiety. When one has or acquires something, one also acquires the anxiety of potential loss. This may happen sub-consciously at first-- but it is best expressed in the phrase, "you don't know what you've got until you lose it." Our tendency to take things for granted causes us to ignore just how much we rely on "stuff."

I just don't like not being "in control."

Some of these things are inevitable, like this ipad I use to check Internet forums before and after work. However, I am totally in a position to say "bye bye" to any of my things without freaking out. I used to behave like a pompous bastard, just totally refusing to ever ride the bus. I just didnt look at it as a possibility. Only the poor, lower-class people ride the bus right?

It's a first-world problem of course, but being forced into riding the bus when I had to sell my car made me realize the attachment I had to my car (just having a car). I also grew as a person being forced to do something so initially uncomfortable. I learned patience for once. Once you get on the bus, destiny is out of your control; whereas, driving your own car, you can control how slow or fast you move.

I do think that a good measure whether or not something is an "addiction," is to analyze the anxiety effect of not having that thing in your life. It's debatable, but smartphones have not yet reached that necessity status like a car has. I think it's reasonable to say most people can still live without a smartphone; yet, removing smartphones from society would almost be like cutting off one's leg. We'd likely bleed to death or die from the trauma. The economy would screech to a crawl because smartphones speed up communication, especially business communication.

Yet I probably share the same views about society and technology as the creators of The Matrix and Fight Club. On the one hand, technology elevates us to great heights of civilization. On the other hand, I feel it is leading us down a path of... Disconnection..? That's the best single word I can come up with. I don't like feeling disconnected from who I really am.
My father is a very materialistic person, but I would not call him a bad father. We didn't have a lot of money but, he provided for my family and even paid for a couple of years of my college. I frequently joke that for him everything is more important than us....the job, the house, the car, the TV, etc...hell, he probably still have the original protective plastic over the sofa. lol.
I turn out to be the opposite. I got into jobs that most people only dream about and quit. I spent many years riding buses and lived in a very poor house with a electric shower made of a tin can (scary but it worked) and I was stealing electricity form the power company too (clever idea and I never got caught) on the other hand we had a killer view out our windows. Even today, I drive a junk car and my wife tells me that I look like a bum.
I don't know if my father's materialism had anything to do with it, but when I was 15, I realized that material possessions and appearances were not important....I was important and what goes inside of my head is important.
So far I managed to excel in a lot of shit I got myself into. I do what I like, I have no boss, no shoes and no money, yet some big companies keep snooping on the things I'm doing.

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On the one hand, technology elevates us to great heights of civilization. On the other hand, I feel it is leading us down a path of... Disconnection..? That's the best single word I can come up with. I don't like feeling disconnected from who I really am.
Personally I think that technology help me understand myself and the Universe a lot better (connection), unfortunately I feel like drifting away from other people, including the ones I love. I gotta figure out a way to have both.

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